| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Ischaramoochie
Praesidium Fora
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 186
Location: The Empyrean
|
 Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
not so. you've already incorporated additional information into the equation, and thus changed the probability function for the existence of hindu gods - that is, of course, assuming that the big bang singularity was proven true.
p.s. the existence of the three main gods of hinduism are consistent with a big bang scenario.
_________________
"The grandeur of a philosophy does not certify its truth."
-M. Cooley
...Veritas? Quid est Veritas? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
la_flash
Participant
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Konoha library
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
^^ not quite. You mentioned about information that we have, and you claimed that it was too little. However, I do believe that with that information that we have, we can say that the GODs presented are not equiprobable.
Regarding the three main gods consistent with big bang scenario, how it becomes consistent?
_________________
I will be the next Hokage... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ischaramoochie
Praesidium Fora
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 186
Location: The Empyrean
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
no. what i said was this:
| Ischaramoochie wrote: |
| yes of course. that's the most basic distribution of probability based solely on the premise that 4 gods possibly exist. |
also
the three main hindu gods of hinduism may be consistent with the big bang scenario in that they represent observed cosmological phenomena: Brahman/creator/singularity, Vishnu/preserver/temporal persistence, Shiva/destroyer/entropy.
_________________
"The grandeur of a philosophy does not certify its truth."
-M. Cooley
...Veritas? Quid est Veritas? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
la_flash
Participant
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Konoha library
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
^^ OK Noted.
Re: Hinduism, isn't it true that this religion teaches about 'never ending cycle of existence', eternal universe, dance of Shiva, etc? All of which is contradicting to the Big Bang Singularity model. Also, please take note that Hindu scholars and philosophers have been vocal in arguing that discussion of big bang mechanics is nothing but 'cosmological speculations' only.
_________________
I will be the next Hokage... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dean
god
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 48
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| in hinduism, there is only one reality: brahman. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ischaramoochie
Praesidium Fora
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 186
Location: The Empyrean
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| la_flash wrote: |
^^ OK Noted.
Re: Hinduism, isn't it true that this religion teaches about 'never ending cycle of existence', eternal universe, dance of Shiva, etc? All of which is contradicting to the Big Bang Singularity model. Also, please take note that Hindu scholars and philosophers have been vocal in arguing that discussion of big bang mechanics is nothing but 'cosmological speculations' only. |
hindu metaphysics is compatible with the oscillating universe theory, each temoral "segment" of which starts with a "big bang." also, i said that hinduism is compatible with the big bang theory, not that it advocates the latter.
_________________
"The grandeur of a philosophy does not certify its truth."
-M. Cooley
...Veritas? Quid est Veritas? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
la_flash
Participant
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Konoha library
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
^^ Oscillating universe theory have already been debunked as it is not compatible with cosmological data that we have right now.
I didn't say that you are implying that Hindus are advocating Big Bang theory... I am refuting your claim that it is compatible. I have already cited that Hindu scholars are against it for Big bang theory is contradicting with their philosophy.
_________________
I will be the next Hokage... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ischaramoochie
Praesidium Fora
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 186
Location: The Empyrean
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
yes, that may be true. however, there are other models of the oscillating universe, such as the Brane Theory, which manages to go around the objections raised against the earlier model.
according to you, the hindu scholars are saying that the Big Bang theory is nothing but "cosmological speculations," not that it is "contradicting their philosophy." a speculation per se is an unverified claim, it is, logically speaking, not contradictory to anything. Hinduism believes the world to be an illusion - of course, it would classify any theory about the latter as "speculation." haven't you heard about the five blind men and the elephant? (yes, that is a Hindu metaphor)
but then again, we are digressing. the point is that in the absence of any additional information, all probabilities remain at 1/n - where n = the number of potential outcomes.
_________________
"The grandeur of a philosophy does not certify its truth."
-M. Cooley
...Veritas? Quid est Veritas? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rickym
Brute
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
to answer the topic, first of all it is a waste of time and happiness to even anticipate god.
yes happiness, there are so many things one can not do because this god exists. you can't masturbate, you can't have sex before marriage, you can't be a homosexual. some say you can't even enjoy sex even when your married.
so if anyone says 'what is there to lose if you follow it' there is a lot to lose!!!!!!!!!
anyway, my take on it, using their silly logic.
i should take the most vindictive and nastiest god to believe in. why. if you take the vindictive god and you are wrong and jesus is correct, jesus christ just might forgive you. but if you don't take jesus and it's the vindictive god that is right, chances are that vindictive god will send you straight to hell.
so which is god is the most vindictive god? well yahweh comes close. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rickym
Brute
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| la_flash wrote: |
^^ Oscillating universe theory have already been debunked as it is not compatible with cosmological data that we have right now.
I didn't say that you are implying that Hindus are advocating Big Bang theory... I am refuting your claim that it is compatible. I have already cited that Hindu scholars are against it for Big bang theory is contradicting with their philosophy. |
i think the hindus are for the oscillating universe
brahma creates- big bang(white hole)
vishnu preserves
shiva destroys- big crunch(black hole)
and i heard that they believe that this is cyclical
i also heard that it is debunked, but isn't the gravitational pull which is supposed to matter a lot something in speculation also since the dark matter and dark energy of the universe hasn't been fully explained? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
